if i swore, this post would be full of colorful words.
<FULL ON SPOILERS AHEAD>
Hello everyone, and welcome to my review of 13 Reasons Why Season 2. If you really want to read this whole thing, then thank you and good luck getting through this.
Now, I saw the trailer show up on my youtube feed and I thought, well I have to watch this, and review it, for my very small circle of people who will actually read this. My cousin sent me a message almost two months ago saying the second season is out and that she can’t wait for me to review it, and she laughed a lot. Would you believe it motivated me to do this even more? :p
So, I started watching the first episode, and began to passionately rant (I think I should make it an occupation) right here in the draft section, and I made notes during every single episode. I was sure I wanted to write this rant but I doubted it after I watched some of the more sensitive scenes. I’m not saying I hated every single scene, because I didn’t. There were some scenes and parts of the story that I liked a lot, they were cute or thought provoking, so cool, okay. But I think those nice parts paled in comparison to what I hated. Which was 90% of the show. I don’t know WHY the hell you would even think of making a season 2 for a show already so bad and problematic, in my opinion. But hey I guess there’s a demand for a season 3 as well so :)))))))))))) I found this season 1% better than season 1 though, I’ll give it that. It was still complete shit, but better.
Okay let me begin. I’m going to go episode wise.
\\ EPISODE 1- Tyler’s testifying, and he goes on about how beautiful Hannah was, and how nice she was to him. He also tells the court about how she agreed for a photoshoot and then suddenly stopped talking to him later on. Bryce meanwhile, tells people that Jessica wanted it and he never really raped her, which is the story the little shit continues to tell until the very end of the show. Alex is back from the hospital, I’m glad he’s alive- he can’t remember much of what happened earlier, before his attempt at shooting himself.
OHMYGOD THE DEFENSE LAWYER WHO REPRESENTS THE SCHOOL IN THIS WHOLE CASE IS ONE OF THE MOST ANNOYING CHARACTERS TO DATE. She actually insinuated that Hannah and Tyler were bullied because they let people do it. So, according to her, they had something to do with them being bullied, like they were the reason for their own misery. What kind of message does this show want to put out? I wish I knew, because it’s still the first episode, and it’s this bad.
Jessica is back in school after six months, and what does she see? Posters announcing to the school that she lied about what happened to her, and people calling her a slut. I have a very vital question to ask, which I had throughout every school scene actually- can schools really be this shitty? How do the teachers not know, or know and not do anything? Either way, it’s really sad.
I had a huge issue with Skye as a character. Yes you find out later that she has Bipolar Disorder, but even up until then, I really never appreciated her, at all. The stuff that she says about Hannah all the time really got on my nerves, the show did not have to include certain dialogues (in the next episode). She also says something about suicide being for the weak in season 1, and I hated her ever since.
ALSO, THE SCHOOL ‘BANNED’ TALKING ABOUT HANNAH/ALEX/SUICIDE??????? Is that how awareness is created? Seriously? Isn’t it always ‘talk about things, talk to people’? Then why is it that banning things of actual importance seems like a good idea?!?
I think Clay gets the first polaroid in this episode, which on the back says Hannah wasn’t the only one, or something. He gets one more later, of Bryce bent over some unconscious girl, whose face you can’t see.
\\ EPISODE 2- Wow yes Hannah’s ghost following Clay around is exactly what this show needs. I don’t know how I feel about Mr. Porter, he seems okay and seems like he genuinely wants to help the students, after he couldn’t help Hannah; better late than never, I guess. And why and HOW is everyone so mean to Mr. Porter? Who the hell talks to their teachers like that? How do they get away with saying things like that?
I think one of the most awkward scenes on the entire show is the dinner with Skye. Right after which she tells Clay: ‘You’re in love with a f-ing dead girl’.
Can we just. Do you see why I have an issue with this girl?
\\ EPISODE 3– Skye is obviously going through some things, and she self harms, and Clay is willing to do anything he can to help her, but she doesn’t want help- just like when he told Hannah he’d stay and she ended up screaming at him to leave. I get that people need to figure things out about why they feel certain things, and for Skye, maybe she has to figure out the harming on her own and in her own time. I just feel bad for Clay because he’s always pushed away. So many times, he tried to help someone, they pushed him away, and later, blame him for it.
Skye really keeps blaming him for thinking about Hannah. How can she even expect him to just completely put an end to his thoughts about Hannah? Skye wants him to cut her out of his life? Ugh, I don’t get it.
I also thought the blossoming friendship between Cyrus and Tyler was cool, until further events happened, and then I realized it was quite toxic.
And I think Chloe is stupid for going out with Bryce. That’s all.
“We expect them to put a label on us, and we just do it ourselves.”
// Jessica Davis //
\\ EPISODE 4- MARCUS WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT ALL ABOUT? LYING IN COURT ABOUT HANNAH LIKING BRYCE? He actually covered for Bryce and according to him, cleared Bryce’s name in court. I honestly do not understand why all the boys are so loyal to Bryce. Team Captain, so what? They always cover for him, they always support him, even when he’s doing shit to girls, and they always do what he says. He’s got himself a nice bunch of servants.
\\ EPISODE 5- The scene with Tony and Justin was nice; I liked that they confided in each other because they were both up to some stuff, and they might as well tell each other than other people who wouldn’t understand. I like that they trust each other, and aren’t killing each other.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME, THE COACH KNOWS ABOUT THE PLAYERS TAKING DRUGS AND PROVIDES THEM WITH ‘SYNTHETIC PEE’ SO THE PEOPLE WHO COME FOR A CHECK WONT FIND OUT??!?!?!!? DOES THIS HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE SOMEONE PLEASE EDUCATE ME IF IT DOES.
Tyler is the outcast, I mean, he’s always been; and now that he has a group of friends (Cyrus and co.), he’s making Ryan feel like an outcast. Yes, Ryan did a bad thing by publishing Hannah’s poem, but I never thought it was that big a deal. Compared to some of the actual problems that she showcased on the tapes, I don’t think he even comes close to being a stupid reason. Nobody deserves to be treated like an outcast just for ‘dressing gay’ or being ‘classic homo’.
By this episode, I didn’t like Cyrus that much anymore, yeah he’s pretty, but he superglued the DVD player shut so the substitute teacher couldn’t play her movie; why are kids so mean to their teachers?
I had a couple of boys in my class (12th grade) who locked the door shut and didn’t let the teacher in for 15 minutes, none of us inside knew it had happened because they were so loud, and the windows were all shut and we couldn’t see anything. Our teacher came back the next day and cried in class because of all the shit that these guys pulled with her, that day and before. Treat your teachers nicely, kids. Or did they not teach you that?
\\ EPISODE 6- Zach and Hannah……okay….I really like Zach and all, but it’s really weird for them to go out. I don’t know. I do think he’s one of the good people that Hannah had around her and chose to actually talk to. But is it even possible to keep one entire month of dating a secret? Stupid question, clearly, on this show, it is. I mean, what, nobody saw them together all the time, at the docks or cafes? They’re quick to jump to conclusions over everything, how did no one see this? I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, Hannah was happy and all, so whatever, I guess it was fine. I just find it completely unrealistic, that’s all. They were actually really cute, reading together and everything, and it wouldn’t have been weird, if he had told his friends. BUT then again, Zach probably didn’t want them to know, because they’re idiots, and they’d never let them be in peace. He knew the consequences of what would happen if he told Bryce and everyone, so he made the decision to keep it quiet.
What does Ms. Hannah take it as? ‘It doesn’t mean anything to him’. Ugh stop pls. At least for a second, she could have tried to think about his position. She knows who he’s friends with; can’t she wrap her head around the fact that she’ll get dragged even more if they find out?
Justin makes so much sense when he talks about how Hannah is called a slut because she had an interest in three guys, but when he’s been with a lot of girls, he’s hailed for that. Zach says the athletes all brag about what they did with girls, and Justin was possibly trying to show that, when you’re a guy, you’re credited for doing things like that, but when you’re a girl, and you go out with someone, you’re instantly labelled.
\\ EPISODE 7- Clay and Hannah spent a night together after doing drugs. How wonderful. Why is this season literally people being called to court to dig up dirt on Hannah? I mean, what will that do for anyone? She’s dead, I don’t know what good that will do to anyone, her family, her friends. I really don’t get it- it’s making her parents feel worse about everything. I feel like all the kids know more about each other than they really need to; the bullying and blackmailing has ever so slightly (sarcasm) increased; the bullied are becoming the bullies (Tyler really goes rogue this season).
Alex really did have the saddest birthday party ever. I mean, everyone’s miserable, they fight, he throws a fit and screams about how he would have been better off dead. He is in the middle of an arcade, screaming his head off at his parents, who are only trying to make him better. I like Alex, but he really annoyed me this season, with being so loud and showing so much attitude.
Clay uploads the tapes online, and titles it ‘Justice4Hannah’. Well that’s just great, now you want to be dragged and let everyone else be dragged.
\\ EPISODE 8- I’m sorry to contradict anyone’s views, but Clay honestly annoyed me to no end this time. More so than last season. Why would he upload the tapes, even when ghost Hannah is telling him not to? But hey finally at least Bryce is a little scared. It’s cool that the tapes are up, just to see the look on Bryce’s face. I loved the sequence of scenes where he walks into school to find ‘Rapist’ sprayed across his locker, and says it’s nothing to worry about. Then he hears his voice in the loudspeakers saying ‘All girls want to be raped’. It’s about time he worries at least a little bit. He has a legal team, and people like Senators telling everyone what a fine citizen he is, and I was 100% sure, from scene one, that he’d get away with everything, and he’s not going to pay for what he did to anybody. Bloody hell, money really has some value in this world.
\\ EPISODE 9- I was glad Bryce’s mom, at least, has the least bit of sense to suspect him of being capable of doing wrong things, unlike his dad, who thinks Bryce is an angel son. You wish, mister.
I liked how Mr. Porter actually said Bryce’s name in court as Hannah’s rapist, and strongly believed that Bryce was a bad kid. I think he’s a pretty okay man, who else would have said that he could have done more, but he didn’t? Later on, he even says that the school system needs to change.
BRYCE. The idiot conveniently lies to Chloe and says that Hannah and him ‘hooked up’ (never happened), and that she got obsessed with him (fat chance). And Chloe believes him :))))
The ending of this episode was….gutsy to say the least. Clay, Cyrus and Tyler vandalize the field, and they narrowly escape being seen by a group of people going into some shack behind the field, which turns out to be the clubhouse place where basically, a lot of crap happened. Clay leaves then, and Cyrus and Tyler outline gasoline onto the grass and light it up. It says ‘Rapists’.
\\ EPISODE 10- I quite like Justin and Clay living together. There’s a plot twist when a former classmate of Hannah’s from her previous school testifies in court that Hannah had been a bully to her. I don’t know how I feel about that, I’ll be honest. This only gives the defendant lawyer woman she extra fire to be even more annoying than she already is, which I didn’t think was possible.
We also find out that it was Chloe in the polaroid (with Bryce bent over an unconscious girl). Zach helps them find the box full of polaroids in the clubhouse, which they take as evidence.
\\ EPISODE 11- Bryce stop lying stop lying stop lying. I was starting to believe that Chloe was becoming sensible when she agreed to testify against Bryce in court. I guess not. She takes one look at Bryce’s face and begins to change her whole testimony, saying she remembers everything that happened that day. I asked once, I’ll ask it again, why does everyone protect this damn guy? I’m sorry, but the next part is in caps because I typed it in rage.
GUN LAWS MAN GUN LAWS ARE ASDFGHJK WHAT THE HELL THE SERIES KEEPS SHOWING TYLER AND CYRUS AND NOW CLAY SHOOTING AT CANS AND BIRDS (and enjoying it) IN THE MIDDLE OF SOME FORESTY AREA, WHAT IS THAT WHY WOULD YOU RANDOMLY HAVE GUNS LYING AROUND
Oh my god. Hannah is so annoying, following Clay around, spouting her damn tape about Bryce. I am sorry, but she genuinely makes me want to scream in frustration.
I don’t get why Tyler posted those pictures of him and Cyrus on facebook….what are millenials (says one herself)
Okay, people apparently have enough money, and the place has enough guns to post one to Alex. And holy shit, Bryce turned everything Hannah said into his words, and the other way round, in court. The flashback shows that he didn’t say a single thing that was true. And oh my god, the scene where he tells his mom about the night of the party. Yet another reason why I hate his guts.
Seriously, the scene at the end of the episode where Hannah is still following Clay around with Bryce’s tape bugged me to no end. I know, it’s in his conscious or whatever the hell, but the show got a 100 times more annoying with her following him and talking about some philosophical shit, or asking him questions and UGH. So Clay goes to Bryce’s house, and calls Justin and tells him to come there. Clay stands with a gun, first to Bryce’s head, and then his own. Why? BECAUSE HANNAH IS STILL SPOUTING HER DAMN TAPE AND CLAY WANTS TO ESCAPE IT. I felt so bad for him then, because he wanted to get away from his thoughts, or consciousness or whatever he was imagining Hannah to be, and he almost shot himself for that. Thank god Justin was there to save him.
\\ EPISODE 12- My thoughts for every single episode? Shut up Hannah.
“Those guns? I have more. We can really make shit happen.”
// Tyler Down //
Most appropriate dialogue ever <applauds>
It is so clear from every single scene that something is wrong with Tyler. He is not okay, and yet, no-one seems to notice.
WOW THE COACH KNEW ABOUT THE CLUBHOUSE JUST EXCELLENT.
Mr. Porter leaves a list of ‘most critical’ students; to help them, and he says they should be looked out for basically, or there will be a next Hannah situation; when he gets to know that his employment has been terminated. He gives them to the Principal, and Tyler is the first one, but the Principal throws the files on the table and leaves. And this is why the system needs to change.
Chloe still believes Bryce, even after finding out what he did to her. Tyler is always harassed, beaten up, teased, and he has no friends, that’s probably why he turned out like this, antisocial and slightly psychopathic. And nobody bothered to help him so he couldn’t have voiced his concerns. He could have told his parents, but on this show, nobody ever does, so why change the pattern and make at least one character sensible?
\\ EPISODE 13- Bryce gets three months probation for rape, wonderful, that’s why the world is going to shit. Justin, being an ‘accessory to felony’ gets 6 months time in juvenile detention, because he has no legal guardian. I really appreciated the fact that he is being adopted by Clay’s parents.
Another thing I found kind of ridiculous, I will explain in the reasons below, but anyway, Hannah’s service happens, Clay talks, and Hannah finally makes a dramatic exit into the light.
Monty.stop.being.an.idiot. (I use idiot, because I don’t swear, so fill in with words of your choice) I don’t know why he thinks protecting Bryce will get him anywhere. Jeez please realize that Bryce is now blaming him and taking off. Monty seems to be just as messed up as Bryce. Hannah’s mom finds a paper with ‘Reasons why not (to?)’. Hannah had made a list of 11 reasons why not to commit suicide.
“No matter how many reasons there are ‘why’, there are always more ‘why not’.
// Olivia Baker //
(reasons to not make this show ever again, yes)
The scene with Monty sexually assaulting Tyler with a mop made me want to puke, and cry, all at once. It was so graphic, and I saw absolutely no reason for a scene like that. I know millions of people defend this scene saying it needed to be there, to show reality, but really, that could have been done in a much better way. Yes, male sexual assault is a very real thing, but I just didn’t like the way it was shown. I think to get the point across, this show is doing a whole lot of unnecessary things.
I feel for Tyler, I really do. Guy’s been through so much, with no support, and no friends. I don’t blame him for hating the world. He needs help, proper help.
I really like Justin, but even after being on the road to recovery, he goes back and does the injection full of heroin (I don’t know the terms sorry). I wish he hadn’t done that.
There is a scene where Nina has the box of polaroids, and she’s burning them. I also had an issue with her character. Yeah okay, she tried to ‘help’ Jessica by talking to her about what happened to them, but I still think she was quite selfish in her own ways. She never fully confided in Jess, and she barely gave her details of her life, when Jess did. And the polaroid scene really showed how selfish she is, by burning the picture of her at the clubhouse. Maybe she wants to burn away evidence that it happened to her, I’m not saying it’s bad to want that, but…
The end scene. When the country has so many school shootings going on, and its a serious issue, they bring that in to the show….? I mean, is that really a good idea? I don’t think someone who has been through, or knows someone who has been through a harrowing incident like that would like to be reminded of it, and certainly not with the suspect escaping. The fact that the only ending the show could think of was that just goes to show how bad it is. And excuse me, where are the teachers? No chaperones? Just a bunch of students and a boy with guns, escaping with the help of other students. Hmm. How realistic.
And Liberty High School wins the case against the Bakers.
You know what the best way to end this show is? END IT FOR GOOD.
13 Reasons why NOT to watch-
- It was pretty much 13 episodes of dragging Hannah down even further. Everyone somehow had more of the story to tell, and it all just made everything worse.
- Everyone is always angry, and I absolutely hated how much attitude all the kids threw to their parents and teachers. Media, having the influence it does on people, is sure to send across the message that screaming and swearing at your parents and teachers is cool, and okay to do. It. is. not. They had zero respect for people, and I have zero respect for the show.
- Hannah is following Clay around. Need I say more?
- Bryce and his friends are all bloody liars and also, set a great example to viewers. (please sense the sarcasm) ‘How to save your backside by doing illegal and immoral things 101’- by the writers.
- Chloe’s idiocy. She hears all these things, knows that she was raped, and still chooses to be with Bryce. ‘I believe you’, she says. Congratulations, you are officially stupid.
- The show gave off so many wrong messages, in my opinion. One of them being, do unto others what is done unto you. Yes, I paraphrased to fit the context better. I really don’t think taking revenge on someone for something(bullying, in this case) because it was done to you, is right. It is completely wrong, and what this show did was to constantly throw that in the plot line. Tyler was bullied, now he bullies Ryan. Clay was bullied (of sorts?) and he bullies Tyler (subtly, but still). I just think it’s really stupid.
- No-one does anything about the bullying. No-one does anything about kids that seem to be going through something. Tyler was clearly going through so much, and yet, nobody bothers to check on him?! Even when his camera is broken, nobody cares, and nobody does anything to either help him, or even try to find out who broke it. I honestly know next to nothing about the education system in that country, but if this is how such an influential show portrays it, I’m pretty sure a lot of people will believe it.
- The coach of the athletic team knowing about all the crap that the players get up to, and helping them get away with everything. He knew about the drugs, he knew about the clubhouse, he knew what they did in there. Any normal, sane person who actually wants to make kids’ lives better would report it, or at least help them himself. But no, he helps them avert all these situations, why? because they’re family. He should be the one terminated from his employment.
- I think, completely my opinion, that they tackled the ‘real world issues’ really crappily. That’s what I think. The depressed are never really shown to be depressed, male rape happens, but you don’t need to go to that level, suicide should not be romanticized, and ‘tackling real world issues’ doesn’t mean showing sensitive things that are happening, so ‘people can relate to it’. I think it’s a load of bullshit, I’m sorry.
- Completely unnecessary graphic scenes. First, Hannah’s suicide. Now, Tyler’s sexual assault. The show did NOT have to make a scene that graphic just to prove the damn point, that there are bad kids in school, they don’t accept him, he has no friends, and he is bullied. To me, it’s not reality, but I saw a lot of comments saying the show is working towards ‘shock value’, and I can’t say I disagree.
- In which world would people who have gone through something terrible, watch this show, and at any point, go- ‘Hey, he/she’s going through what I did, I feel so much better, now that I relate to this character.’ If you’re going to show things that happen in reality, and want to bring about awareness, please at least do it correctly. I heard someone from the show (staff or cast I don’t know) say something about being able to, through the show, make people relate. That’s why I wrote this point.
- What I found slightly ridiculous (as I mentioned above), was that in the last episode, all of a sudden, the Bakers were being all religious, going to a church? Yes, they say they’re not religious and everything, but I just found it very abrupt and strange for them to go to a Pastor (was he?) and talk about God accepting Hannah and everything. And suddenly, Clay begins to talk about the immortal soul, and hell. I found it very weird. There was absolutely no mention of anything remotely religious in the entire two seasons.
- Just, going back to season 1, the entire concept of blaming your death on other people. It did not sit well with me. I like how at least Clay addresses it, telling Hannah that the tapes were the problem, and that she started everything.
- BONUS- Hannah’s character was one thing in season 1, and almost the opposite in season 2. She was called shy, but now after knowing about her willingly going to Tyler’s photoshoot, she really wasn’t. And neither was she that withdrawn, she talked to Zach, Justin, Clay, Jessica, Alex, Tyler, Ryan, Courtney, and told them so much, how is she withdrawn? I just didn’t like how her character was portrayed. It was very contradictory for me. Bottomline, my problem with her started with the tapes, but didn’t end there.
I am sorry if you sat through 4000+ words of this rant. Also, thank you :’) I just got really really really really frustrated with this show, and I needed to do this. I don’t know if anyone will agree, and I skipped quite a few points and characters, but that’ll make it twice as long, so this is all I kept :p
Thank you, and please do leave a comment if you felt the same way about the show, and if you have anything to add. Bye.